friendly reminder that karen gillan doesn’t think moffat’s writing is sexist
the same karen gillan who actually worked with him for a few years, had talks and meetings about her character with him, read his scripts, etc.
yeah the karen gillan who might actually know him in person
doesn’t think he’s sexist
oh, wait, now they’re gonna bring back the “she is being brainwashed” argument. who doesn’t love that argument.
the what argument
I read someone argue that her opinion didn’t matter because she is a white, relatively privileged girl, and therefore is not educated enough about the matter - no seriously.
it’s her character and her showrunner and her show but her opinion doesn’t matter
her opinion as a woman on sexism doesn’t matter
#but if christopher ecclestone says something about feminism it will get 400 billion notes
or rtd (who’s gay, but still, a “white privileged man”), yeah
I have reasonably large breasts for someone of my size and have been referred to as “cute” by people who I am quite fond of, but I’ve never been a victim of catcalling or street harassment.
I dress rather poorly and don’t wear make-up and find myself not especially attractive but I have never been called “ugly” or other forms of harassment from strange men.
My granddad says some extremely problematic things on occasion and had acted problematically many times, but I have never considered myself victimized by his behaviour.
This does not mean that my experience is the same for all women. Women obviously are still harassed by strangers for the “sins” of being attractive or ugly. Just because I am not victimized by my granddad’s behaviour doesn’t mean that no one suffers the consequences of them.
If Karen Gillian’s experience with Moffat was good I am genuinely happy for her (better than working with a Hitchcock-esque boss any day of the week), but that doesn’t invalidate the experiences of women who have found Moffat problematic. If Karen thinks Moffat is great, bless her. But she does not speak for the experiences of anyone but herself and using the argument “well Karen Gillian says he’s not sexist” would be like me saying how my granddad is a good person (really) after he openly displays homophobic behaviour.
i agree with what you say, but i think you misunderstood the point i was trying to make.
firstly, a huge part of the argument is whether moffat is even being sexist at all, and the different interpretations of what he says and what he writes. therefore it’s different from the example you gave of your granddad, who, as a given, displayed clear homophobic behavior.
secondly, what i was trying to do with this argument is mainly oppose people who claim that moffat is this or that while not actually knowing him at all. i was giving karen’s comment as an example of someone who actually knows the man himself and his writing very well. i’m not trying to invalidate people who were hurt by moffat’s writing (or how they understood it - every line can be debated over), i’m trying to object to people claiming he, as a person, is horrible and sexist.
Well, Moffat’s writing has, in my own and others’ perspective, allowed sexist dialogue and tropes without punishing them in the narrative. The Doctor dismisses the extremes of behaviour in River in one scene as “because she is a woman”, enforcing a hideous stereotype that women are irrational beings not in control of their emotions. He is not called out for this, proven wrong, or is otherwise invalidated. The statement the Doctor makes of irrational behaviour being inherent to my sex and gender is not disproven, at all. Moffat writes a line of dialogue that is deeply entrenched in sexist tropes and tacitly validates it.
And I honest-to-goodness don’t mind when characters are sexist or sexist attitudes exist in media, as long as they are somehow invalidated. In Elementary, Sherlock suggests Joan’s general displeasure with the events of the episode might’ve been PMS if not for the fact that it is not that time in her cycle. This allows for a punchline that essentially says “yeah, and that’s not a sexist and unscientific assumption at all”. Sherlock’s sexist statement is invalidated because it is a punchline, something to be mocked. And in later episodes, Sherlock’s misogyny is toned down, his whole attitude of women goes from “a perfumed and pillowy form of release” to “human beings, some of whom are people I have sex with”. His behaviour is invalidated and subsequent character development improves it. Elementary pretty openly embraces a more progressive attitude than many other procedural shows on North American television, so it’s not hard to see the writers’ intentions to be more feminist-friendly.
I do not know Steven Moffat personally, but his work displays a casual sexism that is not consciously rejected. I do not know the writing team of Elementary personally, but their work generally displays a conscious rejection of sexism.
So maybe Moffat is the Platonic Ideal of a feminist in his daily life, that does not excuse his work from criticism. People who say Moffat is sexist may be making an assumption, but I would argue it is an educated guess based on the material they’ve seen in his writing.
I more or less agree with you that ad hominem attacks are super lame, but people who call Moffat sexist are doing it because they’ve read sexism in the work and see it tacitly approved by him in his and other episodes. That sexism didn’t just burst from nowhere, it had to have come from someone. And if that somewhere is Moffat’s own mind, it is not unreasonable to ask questions about Moffat’s own opinions on sexism.